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Does Home Solar Make Sense?

pig with lipstick

When it makes sense, I love solar power. In my recent post of my all-time favorite camping gear our campers’ solar system was my favorite gear. In my post Solar for Backing I laid out all the considerations but did not say if it was a good or bad idea

If you want to carry this stuff, go ahead, it’s okay. Just isn’t my personal cup of tea.

In other words, I am not interested in carrying a bunch of electronic devices when backpacking, other than a headlamp and sometimes a camera and solar doesn’t make sense to me. I did try to be objective and present good information for those who are interested in solar for their backpacking trips.

Starting next month I will be on a fixed income, so planning to reduce my monthly fixed overhead has been a priority. The greatest opportunity for savings is our monthly utilities. For most people, the first thing that comes to mind is installing a solar system – especially since most of us have been bombarded by telemarketers and door-to-door solicitors over the past 4 or 5 years. When we get this volume of sales pitch bombardment, your first reaction should be “someone is making a ton of money and they are going to try and take advantage of me.” In other words,

home solar might just be a pig with lipstick

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Solar

Click the links below:

Sizing an RV Solar System: Part 1

Sizing an RV Solar System: Part 2

Sizing an RV Solar System: Part 3

Sizing an RV Solar System: Part 4 (We Upgraded Our System)

Solar Charge Controllers: PWM vs. MPPT

TriMetric Battery Monitor: 20 Year Review

LiFePo4 300A Battery for RVs

Remote Power System for Telescopes

Milan 26RLS Trailer Solar System

Tent Trailer Solar Systems

State of Charge: Your Camper/RV May Be Killing Your Battery Bank

1992 Starcraft Meteorite Dual Battery and Dual Propane Tank Set-up

2006 Fleetwood Niagara Dual Battery Set-up (Trojan T-125s)

Solar for Backpacking?

Is Home Solar Lipstick on a Pig?

Home Solar Install (2020)

State of Charge: Your Camper/RV May Be Killing Your Battery Bank

THIS MAY BE CONTROVERSIAL

If you own a camper or other recreational vehicle, it probably has a battery or two or at least is set up for a battery.

If you want to utilize a battery in your RV, battery selection is paramount and probably more important is the proper charging settings.

Now if you only camp in campgrounds with umbilical cords to the power grid, you don’t need a battery bank. But I will suggest that you are missing a lot by “camping” in these virtual parking lots. Get thee out into the more wild areas where there is no electric grid. It is called camping, you know – not Parking.

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Milan Solar System

As with our last camper, the very first mod we did to our Milan was to install a solar system. You may also want to read about the solar systems on our 1992 Starcraft Meteorite and 2006 Fleetwood Niagara.

Milan 2013-10-05 -01400This install was more involved and contained some extra items we did not use in our previous campers. I did not take a lot of pictures because my focus was on a quality installation, not documentation.

Below is a list of what we added to the camper.

  • Exide CG-135 6-Volt Golf Cart Batteries (2 each) 226 AH
  • RV Dual Golf Cart Battery Box
  • Battery Box padlocks and hinges
  • Kyocera 140 watt solar panel w/ junction box (2 each) 280 watts total
  • Solar Panel Mounting Z-Brackets (8 total – 4 per panel)
  • ¼” X 1” Well nuts to mount Z-Brackets to roof
  • Dicor Lap Sealant to seal Z-Bracket Mounting
  • Waterproof Electrical Box
  • 10 gauge Sun Resistant covered wiring for panels
  • Midnite Solar Array Box for Solar Panel Breakers
  • Solar Array Breaker, 20 Amp
  • Solar Array Breaker, 50 Amp
  • Morningstar Tri-Star 45 Charge Controller, 12-48 Volts, 45 amps max
  • Morningstar remote digital meter for TriStar controller
  • Morningstar Remote Temperature Sensor for TriStar controller
  • Tri Metric 2025RV battery system monitor
  • 500 amp/50mv shunt for Tri-Metric battery monitor
  • Samlex 2,000 watt pure sine wave inverter
  • Remote on/off switch for Samlex inverter
  • Inverter fuse & holder, 250 amp
  • Inverter Battery Cables, Size 2/0, Black and Red, 5′ Pair, 3/8″ UL Listed lugs
  • Battery Cable from Inverter to 250 amp fuse holder, size 2/0, red, 18 inches with 3/8″ UL listed lugs
  • Battery Cable from 500 amp shunt to battery negative, size 2/0 UL listed cable, black, 12 inches with 3/8″ UL listed lugs
  • Battery Cable to connect 6-Volt batteries in Series, size 2/0 UL listed cable, black, 12 inches with 3/8″ UL listed lugs
  • Powermax 50 Amp Automatic Transfer Switch

PLANNING THE INSTALLATION

Before installing anything, I put together a wiring schematic. Many people install one or two parts at a time and then test. I prefer to install everything at once, hold my breath, and turn the system on. 🙂

Good news is that everything worked the first time.

SOLAR PANEL INSTALLATION

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We have received excellent results from Kyocera solar panels in the past. There are cheaper Chinese panels available, but we want a company that will be in business should we ever need warranty service. Our Kyocera panels are monocrystalline construction and have a track record of outstanding performance. The panels have a 20 year warranty on power output and 5 years on workmanship.

Our roof is rubber coated plywood. The Z-Brackets were mounted to the roof using ¼” X 1” Well Nuts. Installation required drilling ½” holes in the roof, inserting the well nuts, and bolting the bottom of the Z-Brackets to the well nuts. Well nuts are 1” rubber with a ¼” X 20 nut at the bottom. As the bolt is tightened it draws up the rubber creating a seal in the drilled holed. Theoretically the well nut will not leak. I sealed the brackets with Dicor Lap Sealant as a precaution.

To run the solar panel wires to the Solar Controller, I drilled a hole through the roof using a waterproof electrical box to keep water out. The box can be seen at the upper right of the picture above.

COMPONENT INSTALLATION LOCATION

After years of camping in tent trailers, our new Milan has much more storage than we can fill. This means there is plenty of room in the front pass-through storage area to mount most of our components. It also means a very short run for the wires connecting the solar panels, solar controller, and inverter.

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SOLAR CONTROLLER AND BREAKER PANEL

With both solar panels wired in parallel, the maximum output will be around 15 amps. In case we add panels in the future, we installed a 45 amp Morningstar TriStar Pulse Width Modulated controller, with a remote digital meter, and a temperature sensor. In addition a circuit breaker panel was installed with a 20 amp breaker for solar input into the controller and a 50 amp breaker from the controller to the battery.

Solar Controller (L) and Breaker Panel (R)
Solar Controller (L) and Breaker Panel (R)

The temperature sensor in the battery compartment makes sure the controller provides the proper charging to the battery bank. One reason I chose the TriStar is because the charge point can be set to 14.8 volts. Most solar chargers can only be set to a max of 14.4 volts, even though most deep cycle battery manufacturers recommend 14.8 volts.

SAMLEX 2000 WATT PURE SINE WAVE INVERTER

Pure sine means the inverter will produce clean alternating current, just like is found in your home. Pure sine current ensures that any sensitive electronic equipment will operate flawlessly. A pure sine inverter is several times more expensive than inverters used by many boondockers, which are typically modified sine wave inverters.

Many inverters, even the expensive ones, will not operate if the battery input voltage goes over 15 volts. In cold weather, a properly set up solar system controller with a temperature sensor can occasionally go over 15 volts. Most inverters will shut down. The Samlex will not shut down unless input voltage exceeds 16.5 volts.

250 Amp fuse (foreground) in wired inline to the positive 12 volt circuit of the inverter.
250 Amp fuse (foreground) in wired inline to the positive 12 volt circuit of the inverter.

For protection against a possible short, we wired in a 250 amp fuse. Since the inverter is located in a storage area, we also installed a remote control unit inside the camper to turn the inverter on or off. With our system we can run any appliance you would find at home. Items such as a microwave or toaster should be used at a minimum as they draw 10 times more amperage from a 12 volt system than a 120 volt source. Theoretically it could power our air conditioner, but the battery bank would be depleted in a matter of minutes.

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Instead of running Romex cable to power our 120 volts system with the inverter, we used waterproof 30 amp wiring. Romex can vibrate loose, although trailer manufacturers now use it in most interior installations.

50 AMP AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH

Dist Switch 1

This box automatically switches 120 volt electrical system to and from shore power to the inverter. If the switch does not see 120 volts from the main electrical service, it switches the system to the inverter. This means that all 120 volt electrical outlets can be powered from the inverter.

Dist Switch 2The transfer switch should be placed a close a possible to the trailer’s 120 volt electric panel / 12 volt converter. This meant installing it under the sink. The yellow cable shown in the Pure Sine Inverter section runs from the inverter to the transfer switch.

Lesson Learned

New to us is the refrigerator that will automatically connect to any power source available, and it chooses 120 volt first, then propane. When we first turned on the inverter, the refrigerator switched from propane to 120 volts and soon used nearly ½ of the usable battery bank capacity. Luckily I noticed it on the battery monitor and changed the refrigerator setting to run only on propane. The solar system brought the battery bank to full capacity.

TRIMETRIC 2025RV BATTERY MONITOR

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If you want to live off the grid for a period of time, a “real” battery monitor is an absolute necessity. The monitor will measure the percent of battery capacity remaining and a plethora of other useful information. Not all battery monitors are equal. Buy only a Trimetric. We used the 2020 model in both our tent trailers and opted for the newer 2025RV for our Milan.

Shunt for Trimetric
Shunt for Trimetric

The monitor reads the amps that are put into the battery bank and records the amps that are used. This is accomplished by run ALL ground circuits through a shunt, which is also connected to the Trimetric.

BATTERY BANK

Out of convenience and time, I purchased a pair of 6-volt golf cart batteries made by Exide. Total amp hour (AH) capacity is 226 AH, which means a useful capacity of 113 AH. This is a little less than the 245 AH capacity of our old Trojan T-145 batteries, but it should be sufficient. I was unable to find the Trojan’s locally, which is perplexing since there are so many golf courses in Palm Springs. If the bank does not prove to be sufficient, we will upgrade.

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REMOTE CONTROLS

I decided to mount the Trimetric 2025RV, the Solar Controller Remote Display, and the Samlex Remote On/Off Switch in the bedroom, which is close to the storage compartment. Plus Joyce didn’t want a bunch of gadgets in the living room or kitchen area.

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Trimetric Battery Monitor (top left), TriStar Solar Controller Remote Display (top right), and Samlex Inverter Remote ON/OF Switch (bottom)

Solar for Backpacking?

Recently I wrote about our RV solar system, which is the best and most favorite modification done to our tent trailer camper. Do I use solar when backpacking? The answer is a simple, “No.” However, some backpackers find them useful. If you are one who is wondering about using solar as part of your backpacking kit, this article might be interesting or even helpful.

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Dual Battery and LPG Upgrade

When we remodeled our camper we were going to need some batteries and additional propane (LPG) tanks for extended camping trips. I removed the existing hardware for the single battery and single LPG tank and re-engineered the set-up.

1093544232049309119Above: The original set-up included a single propane tank and an itty bitty battery tray below it that could only hold a small Group 24 battery.

I started by installing the batteries and hardware. Then I installed dual LPG hardware and tanks.

1093544131049309119Above: I found this toolbox at Lowes that was the perfect dimension for two Group 27 batteries.

1093544149049309119Above: I installed two pieces of angled aluminum to the trailer’s frame. I then bolted the tool box to the aluminum channels.

1093544142049309119Above: Because of the shape of the front of the camper, and the need for the box to be as close to the camper body, to allow room for the propane tanks, the battery box is oriented to open out from the camper body.

1093544156049309119Above: Batteries installed.

1093544171049309119Above: the toolbox makes a good place to sit your beer can.

Next step was to bolt a dual propane bottle tray to the frame in front of the battery box.

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1093544215049309119Above: A lock to keep the honest people honest.

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Above: This regulator automatically switches tanks when the first one runs empty. Very convenient if the first tank runs out of LPG in the middle of the night. It also has a gauge at the top to let you know when the first tank is empty.

Trojan T-125 Dual Battery Upgrade

When we first purchased our Niagara, we just transferred the battery and solar system from our old Starcraft. [see link]

DSC00483Above: Interstate batteries and “toolbox” battery compartment.

Given that we were beginning to camp at times for up to 3 weeks in winter, with the chance of cloudy skies and little or no sun, it became necessary to upgrade our battery bank. The Interstate battery bank had a “useful” capacity of 75 amp hours (50% of total) and a pair of Trojan T-125 batteries would increase our useful capacity to 120 amp hour, which is a 60% increase in capacity.

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The Trojan batteries are much larger than what we had and would require a larger battery box. I found this one (above) that is designed specifically for the T-125s.

I added the locks and clasps to keep the honest people honest.

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Tent Trailer Solar System

In 2003 we remodeled our 1992 Starcraft Meteorite so camping wouldn’t be so Spartan. Part of this remodel included adding some electric appliances. We normally do not camp in campgrounds with hook-ups, so we needed to add a battery to run these new electric consumers.

Because we camp for up to two weeks at a time, some method of recharging the battery was required. We had two choices; the first was to purchase a gasoline powered generator or a solar system. Generators require maintenance and fuel, not to mention they are noisy. So we decided to go solar. Not knowing anything about solar systems, I spent several months researching. The first step was to determine how many amp hours we would typically consume per day, then to figure how big a battery bank we would need and lastly how many watts (or amps) we would need in a solar system. Also we needed to decide what our solar (or battery charging) strategy would be.

Solar Strategies

I came up with three possible strategies:

  1. Provide enough battery charging so by the end of two weeks our battery bank would not be below 50% of the rated amp hours (I call this just in time charging).
  2. Provide enough battery charging so that by the end of each day our battery would be fully charged (this assumes perfect weather).
  3. Provide enough battery capacity to keep battery amp hours above 50% should we have a week of bad weather, and have the ability to fully charge the battery bank in one day of good weather (optimum) system.

I went with option #3. The first thing I needed to do was calculate the anticipated daily amp hour usage. Once I knew this number I could calculate how many amp hours I needed in my battery and then how many amps required to recharge a 50% battery bank in one day.

The table below provides typical amperage for electrical consumers. Multiply the amps by the number of anticipated daily use, then add up everything.

AMP Chart

We had no experience with electrical devices for camping so I estimated high. I also factored in a 12 volt box fan to be used 7 hours a day in really hot weather. So my worst case scenario came to 15 amp hours per day.

Now I had to figure out how many Available Amp Hours different batteries have. At first this was difficult because many manufacturers do not rate capacity in Amp Hours. Also we needed a “deep cycle” battery, not an automotive type battery. Deep cycle batteries are designed to be discharged repeatedly, as long as the battery charge does not go below 50% of the rated capacity.

I found the Interstate brand of RV/Marine batteries to be most available and reasonably priced. But the specifications for Interstate batteries are Reserve Capacity (minutes) at 25 amps. A Google search provided the formula to convert this number to amp hours:

Reserve Capacity ÷ 2.4 = Amp Hours

An Interstate Group 27 battery has a reserve capacity of 180 minutes, which can be converted to 75 amp hours. Since we do not want to use more than 50% of the batteries capacity, it would take two Group 27 batteries to give us a useful capacity of 75 amp hours. Assuming a maximum daily usage of 15 amp hours per day, two of these batteries would last 5 days without going below 50% of the battery bank capacity. Click here to see pictures of battery installation.

Now I had to determine how much solar would be required to recharge the battery bank in a day of full sunlight. I found a Kyocera KC-120 panel that was rated at 120 watts, or 7.1 amps. This panel could produce (in sunny weather) about 55 amp hours per day in summer, or 40 amp hours in winter. Not enough to provide my goal of 75 amp hours in a single day, but I had little experience. Plus it would be easy to add a second panel if needed.

Now I had to determine what kind of panel (construction) to buy. There are three types:

  1. Monocrystaline Silicon
  2. Polycrystaline Silicon
  3. Thin Film (usually amorphous silicon)

Without getting into a long technical discussion I went for the Kyocera Monocrystalline panel.

Advantages

  • Highest efficiency
  • Space efficiency
  • Longest life

Disadvantages

  • Most expensive
  • Partial shade significantly reduces output

The next order of business was wiring and a charge controller. The bottom line on wiring is that thicker wire has less resistance, which means more amps to the battery. Always go for the thickest wire available. I don’t remember the gauge I used, but it did have an ultra-violet protective sheath.

Charge Controller

Since my panel can product over 17 volts, the voltage needs to be dropped down to meet the requirements of a 12 volt system. There are several types of controllers and the best ones allow the owner to adjust the charge point. The problem with most charge controllers is that they are set at a charge rate of 13.8 to 14.2 volts. This is in contrast to the specifications of what most battery manufacturer’s state, which is 14.8 volts! I ended up with a 15 amp charger controller made by Specialty Concepts, which is a Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) unit.

If one camps in varied climates, an excellent option for your charge controller is to get one with a temperature sensor. Battery state of charge is temperature dependent.
The darling of the solar industry today is the MPPT (Maximum Power Tracking Point) charge controller, which happens to be the most expensive type of controller and is really for large solar systems such as a house system. There is little advantage to using these systems on an RV.

1093941283049309119Above: Although the controller is set at 14.8 volts, the charge is reduced as the battery reaches full so it does not overcharge and boil the electrolyte.

 

1093941281049309119Above: The controller panel can be switched to read the charging amps.

The State of Your Battery

Most people wouldn’t go on a long trip without a gas gauge in their vehicle. The same goes with your solar system, you need to know how many usable amp hours are in your battery bank.

Many RV owners insist on using a volt meter to determine the state of charge of the battery bank. The problem with this is that a battery should be left disconnected for 24 hours to accurately determine its state of charge. I think the decision to use a cheap volt meter to try and determine the battery state of charge is driven by prices. Voltmeters are cheap and not accurate in determining the state of charge of a battery bank that is connected to the RV’s electrical system.

State of Charge Start
The right tool for this job is a Battery Monitor. It measures the amps into and out of the battery. I will tell you exactly how many useable amps are in the battery bank. Good one’s like the Trimetric 2020 (bogartengineering.com) will provide all kinds of useful information, such as percent of charges, amp hours remaining, voltage, etc. After using mine for almost 10 years, I would not consider camping without it.

Controls-Battery Monitor
Installation

There are several ways to do this:

  1. Make them portable and able to move around (a hassle, chance of tripping over cables, or breaking a panel.
  2. Roof Mounted (convenient)
  3. Roof Mounted with the ability to tilt during the day for optimum solar collection (a pain in the butt)

I chose option number two; fixed installation on the roof. Just make sure that other roof accessories cannot cast a shadow on your panels. Also you cannot park in shade, but why do that? The RV has its own shade. For use we are not in our camper during the day anyway.

Special Considerations for tent trailers. Since the roof goes up and down, installation is not as straight forward as a travel trailer or motor home installation. Here is how I did it on both of our tent trailers.

1992 Starcraft Meteorite

1093941271049309119Above: Unpacking the Kyocera KC-120

1093941275049309119Above: Panel mounted on roof. Note that the vent is next to the panel which can cast a shadow. We would normally keep this closed at night… are walls are tent material after all. We would only open the vent when taking a shower, as the vent is directly over our shower.

1093941247049309119Above: Cable is routed through the roof.

1093941251049309119Above: The box for the cable routing is water proof.

1093941256049309119Above: Running the cable inside the camper.

1093941261049309119Above: The cable is hidden under the valance curtain.

1093941265049309119Above: The cable now exits the camper. It is long enough that we can push the cable inside the camper along with the tenting material when lowering the roof during take down. Then cable is routed back into the camper body back into the camper where it is connected to the charge controller.

1093941244049309119Above: Cable is routed inside a cabinet where the charge controller is mounted.

2006 Fleetwood Niagara

When we first purchased this camper we simply transferred the solar system and batteries, knowing we would probably need to upgrade the system with a larger battery bank and an additional solar panel. The first thing we did was to change out the 5 gallon propane tanks for two 10 gallon tanks.

DSC00483Above: dual Interstate Group 27 batteries, Kyocera KC-120 solar panel, and new propane tanks.

The installation of the panel and wiring was similar to our Starcraft. The only thing I did differently was to all some Yakima Track Racks and carrier bars. This way I could mount the panel on the rack. I used Yakima Locks to secure the panel to the racks.

2970006200049309119Above: Instead of drilling a hole in the roof to route the wiring, I was able to run them through the roof top air conditioner unit (above).

2876924190049309119Above: close up of wiring through the A/C unit.

2447911530049309119Above: Installation complete. Another reason I used the rack to mount the panel is to get it high enough so the A/C unit doesn’t cast a shadow on the panel.

 

2362979260049309119Above: The power cord for the A/C unit (left) and the solar system (right) are routed through the roof support channel.

2745483520049309119Above: The black cable is for the solar system and the orange one the air conditioner.

0008 Door exitAbove: The cables are hidden from view by the curtains. Note the Margarita blender on the left 🙂

2411333740049309119Above: Just as I did with the Starcraft, the cable exits the interior of the camper and then is routed through the body back inside and into a cabinet. This allows the cable to be pushed back into the camper with the tenting material when lowering the roof.

 

Controls

2568539900049309119Above: Charge controller (lower left) and Trimetric battery monitor (lower right). The on/off switch at the upper right is for the interior lights.

 

2497790840049309119Above: The solar wiring runs through the charge controller, then the battery monitor, then through a shunt for the battery monitor, and finally to the battery. Note the heavy duty cable.

2601292590049309119Above: We also added a 750 watt (1500 peak watts) to the system. Again note the heavy cables. The white tape indicates ground. RV’s use white wiring to indicate ground and black for positive on the 12 volt circuits, which is different than cars and trucks that use black for ground and red for positive.

 

IMG_0181Above: Because of the additional electrical needs of this trailer (especially the forced air furnace), I added a second Kyocera solar panel rated at 130 watts, giving us 250 total watts, and the potential to put 80 – 110 amp hours back into the battery bank daily.

 

IMG_0107Above: I also replaced the Interstate Group 27 batteries with two Trojan T-125 true deep cycle batteries with a total amp hour rating of 240 amp hours, or 120 usable amp hours per day. More details on the Trojan batteries can be found here.